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		<title>Comment on The Visual Display of Knowledge by culhog</title>
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		<dc:creator>culhog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As supporter of Anti-Linguistics, removal all but the most necessary words good. &lt;- Almost 80 pictures saying that. Make ALL pictures good. Flow chart good. pictographs good. glyphs bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As supporter of Anti-Linguistics, removal all but the most necessary words good. &lt;- Almost 80 pictures saying that. Make ALL pictures good. Flow chart good. pictographs good. glyphs bad.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wikipedia is Dying!!! by Seven Lions &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Craigslist is Dying? - writing, research, art and digital media</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seven Lions &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Craigslist is Dying? - writing, research, art and digital media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 04:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the earlier fear that Wikipedia is on the decline, this one seems serious.  Outsourcing bogus Craigslist ads is a staple of sites like Rentacoder, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the earlier fear that Wikipedia is on the decline, this one seems serious.  Outsourcing bogus Craigslist ads is a staple of sites like Rentacoder, [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on A bit of peril by Nikki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ani was brillant about starting her own label and getting her stuff out there. Alanis has grown up since her &quot;jagged little pill&quot; album, which never would&#039;ve happened if not for the like of Ani, PJ Harvey and Tori Amos.

Another two artists who are really hip to inllectual property rights and the digital age of sharing that use it to their advantage are David Bowie and Tori Amos. Bowie a few years back was doing a challenge on his site of re-mixing his music - I don&#039;t recall what exactly the end result was, but he&#039;s one of those people who really grasps the medium as well. Both have been known to talk about how their music&#039;s used in youtube vids, and about bootlegs (Tori always mentions it in her shows about how bootlegs from one shows end up on the web) and working with the fans, not against them.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ani was brillant about starting her own label and getting her stuff out there. Alanis has grown up since her &#8220;jagged little pill&#8221; album, which never would&#8217;ve happened if not for the like of Ani, PJ Harvey and Tori Amos.</p>
<p>Another two artists who are really hip to inllectual property rights and the digital age of sharing that use it to their advantage are David Bowie and Tori Amos. Bowie a few years back was doing a challenge on his site of re-mixing his music &#8211; I don&#8217;t recall what exactly the end result was, but he&#8217;s one of those people who really grasps the medium as well. Both have been known to talk about how their music&#8217;s used in youtube vids, and about bootlegs (Tori always mentions it in her shows about how bootlegs from one shows end up on the web) and working with the fans, not against them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wherefore art thou, Wikiatlas? by Elijah Meeks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elijah Meeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 20:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think participatory culture is more environmentally aware and concerned with these issues on a regular basis, but my call for commons-based environmental modeling was based on the maturity of environmental models, which would serve as a good starting point for developing commons-based modeling.  If you&#039;re going to want anything more meaningful than maps with pushpins, you&#039;re going to have to develop some kind of modeling package that allows for meaningful interaction between elements that are currently considered static.  The maps with pushpins are nice, and the existence of computer models or GIS doesn&#039;t mean that suddenly street maps disappear, but spatial concepts are much deeper than this.

I&#039;m sure the idea of a collaboratively-built encyclopedia or a collaboratively-built operating system, database, image-processing package, et cetera, would have also seemed pretty pie-in-the-sky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think participatory culture is more environmentally aware and concerned with these issues on a regular basis, but my call for commons-based environmental modeling was based on the maturity of environmental models, which would serve as a good starting point for developing commons-based modeling.  If you&#8217;re going to want anything more meaningful than maps with pushpins, you&#8217;re going to have to develop some kind of modeling package that allows for meaningful interaction between elements that are currently considered static.  The maps with pushpins are nice, and the existence of computer models or GIS doesn&#8217;t mean that suddenly street maps disappear, but spatial concepts are much deeper than this.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure the idea of a collaboratively-built encyclopedia or a collaboratively-built operating system, database, image-processing package, et cetera, would have also seemed pretty pie-in-the-sky.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wherefore art thou, Wikiatlas? by Anthony DiPierro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony DiPierro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 19:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having followed this a bit, I&#039;d say Open Street Maps is the site to beat at this point.  But then, I&#039;m unclear of the purpose of &quot;a commons-based model of the Earth’s environmental systems&quot;.  Great for environmental scientists, I guess, but not something I&#039;m likely to use on a regular basis.

Sorry, too pie-in-the-sky for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having followed this a bit, I&#8217;d say Open Street Maps is the site to beat at this point.  But then, I&#8217;m unclear of the purpose of &#8220;a commons-based model of the Earth’s environmental systems&#8221;.  Great for environmental scientists, I guess, but not something I&#8217;m likely to use on a regular basis.</p>
<p>Sorry, too pie-in-the-sky for me.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Poor Gimlet by Elijah Meeks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elijah Meeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 05:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But I thought you hated comics?  Of course it was Gpig.

In case you&#039;re wondering, Gimlet ended up being rebuilt by the aliens using a Phusis Tank and a Chrome Endoskeleton.  Terminator Gimlet lasted about as long as the regular kind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I thought you hated comics?  Of course it was Gpig.</p>
<p>In case you&#8217;re wondering, Gimlet ended up being rebuilt by the aliens using a Phusis Tank and a Chrome Endoskeleton.  Terminator Gimlet lasted about as long as the regular kind.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Poor Gimlet by Zarquon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zarquon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 04:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who did those? Gpig? You? Naw, Gpig. The man&#039;s got talent.

God, how I hate him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who did those? Gpig? You? Naw, Gpig. The man&#8217;s got talent.</p>
<p>God, how I hate him.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Gaming the Systems by Zarquon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zarquon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 15:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does space travel have to do with the original question, anyway? It&#039;s about information and in what sources do we trust?

BTW, did anyone read &quot;True Enough: Learning to Live in a Post-Fact Society&quot;:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0470050101?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=slatmaga-20&amp;link_code=as3&amp;camp=211189&amp;creative=373489&amp;creativeASIN=0470050101

I didn&#039;t, but it sounds like it&#039;s on topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does space travel have to do with the original question, anyway? It&#8217;s about information and in what sources do we trust?</p>
<p>BTW, did anyone read &#8220;True Enough: Learning to Live in a Post-Fact Society&#8221;:<br />
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0470050101?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=slatmaga-20&amp;link_code=as3&amp;camp=211189&amp;creative=373489&amp;creativeASIN=0470050101" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0470050101?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=slatmaga-20&amp;link_code=as3&amp;camp=211189&amp;creative=373489&amp;creativeASIN=0470050101</a></p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t, but it sounds like it&#8217;s on topic.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Gaming the Systems by Elijah Meeks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elijah Meeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 02:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My expertise is in early China, where the only astronomically related pursuits were the organization of knowledge around the creation of a calendar, which allowed one particular polity to win the &quot;Millet Race&quot; before being overtaken by their more militaristic, no-nonsense neighbors.  However, since I&#039;m an expert in *something* I suppose that allows me to sign anti-global-warming petitions and make sweeping claims about all sorts of subjects (Gee, I hope so, otherwise this blog isn&#039;t very strategerical) and so I&#039;d say that Taikonauts on the moon are unlikely, but possible.  And if they did happen, I imagine the United States will play up the &quot;symbolic nature of such a gesture&quot; rather than spend the money competing.  We&#039;re much better spending our money on less interesting symbolic gestures.  Of course, then the Chinese will discover water and massive amounts of some interesting raw material, and boy will we look foolish.  The only way to make it as storybook as possible is if the first Taikonaut to step on the moon is a Muslim eunuch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My expertise is in early China, where the only astronomically related pursuits were the organization of knowledge around the creation of a calendar, which allowed one particular polity to win the &#8220;Millet Race&#8221; before being overtaken by their more militaristic, no-nonsense neighbors.  However, since I&#8217;m an expert in *something* I suppose that allows me to sign anti-global-warming petitions and make sweeping claims about all sorts of subjects (Gee, I hope so, otherwise this blog isn&#8217;t very strategerical) and so I&#8217;d say that Taikonauts on the moon are unlikely, but possible.  And if they did happen, I imagine the United States will play up the &#8220;symbolic nature of such a gesture&#8221; rather than spend the money competing.  We&#8217;re much better spending our money on less interesting symbolic gestures.  Of course, then the Chinese will discover water and massive amounts of some interesting raw material, and boy will we look foolish.  The only way to make it as storybook as possible is if the first Taikonaut to step on the moon is a Muslim eunuch.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Gaming the Systems by Zarquon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zarquon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 01:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shooting people to the moon? Let&#039;s see... in the Dark Ages (pre 1995 or so) I would have shrugged my shoulders. Now I can at least find on der wiki that

&quot;In March 1966, NASA told Congress the &quot;run-out cost&quot; of the Apollo program to put men on the moon would be an estimated $22.718 Billion for the 13-year program which eventually accomplished six successful missions between July 1969 and December 1972.

According to Steve Garber, the NASA History website curator, the final cost of project Apollo was between $20 and $25.4 billion in 1969 dollars (or approximately $135 billion in 2005 dollars).&quot;

and 

&quot;From 1964 until 1973, a total of US$6.5 billion was appropriated for the Saturn V, with the maximum being in 1966 with US$1.2 billion. Allowing for inflation this is equivalent to roughly $32-45 billion in 2007 money. This works out at an amortised cost of $2.4-3.5 billion per launch.

One of the main reasons for the cancellation of the Apollo program was the cost. In 1966, NASA received its highest budget of US$4.5 billion, about 0.5 percent of the GDP of the United States at that time.&quot;

and take it from there. 0.5% of today&#039;s US GDP would amount to, uhmmm, about $70 billion. Pre-Meltdown, that was serious money, and some people would actually have thrown a hissy fit about spending it on an elaborate government photo op. Today, it&#039;s small change. Can&#039;t prop up even a single failed bank with $70 billion. Or invade Liechtenstein, that would cost more than that. So, I&#039;d say it&#039;s absolutely doable to reanimate NASA.

Of course, you couldn&#039;t get a Saturn V launch for $3 billion (current dollars) any more:
&quot;The three stages of the Saturn V were developed by various NASA contractors, but following a sequence of mergers and takeovers all of them are now owned by Boeing.&quot;

So, make it 15 years and $300 billion for the final launch. Now the only problem is, you&#039;d need somebody to beat to the moon. The Russians are out of the game for the foreseeable future, leaving only the Chinese. Would they play along? What does our eminent sinologist say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shooting people to the moon? Let&#8217;s see&#8230; in the Dark Ages (pre 1995 or so) I would have shrugged my shoulders. Now I can at least find on der wiki that</p>
<p>&#8220;In March 1966, NASA told Congress the &#8220;run-out cost&#8221; of the Apollo program to put men on the moon would be an estimated $22.718 Billion for the 13-year program which eventually accomplished six successful missions between July 1969 and December 1972.</p>
<p>According to Steve Garber, the NASA History website curator, the final cost of project Apollo was between $20 and $25.4 billion in 1969 dollars (or approximately $135 billion in 2005 dollars).&#8221;</p>
<p>and </p>
<p>&#8220;From 1964 until 1973, a total of US$6.5 billion was appropriated for the Saturn V, with the maximum being in 1966 with US$1.2 billion. Allowing for inflation this is equivalent to roughly $32-45 billion in 2007 money. This works out at an amortised cost of $2.4-3.5 billion per launch.</p>
<p>One of the main reasons for the cancellation of the Apollo program was the cost. In 1966, NASA received its highest budget of US$4.5 billion, about 0.5 percent of the GDP of the United States at that time.&#8221;</p>
<p>and take it from there. 0.5% of today&#8217;s US GDP would amount to, uhmmm, about $70 billion. Pre-Meltdown, that was serious money, and some people would actually have thrown a hissy fit about spending it on an elaborate government photo op. Today, it&#8217;s small change. Can&#8217;t prop up even a single failed bank with $70 billion. Or invade Liechtenstein, that would cost more than that. So, I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s absolutely doable to reanimate NASA.</p>
<p>Of course, you couldn&#8217;t get a Saturn V launch for $3 billion (current dollars) any more:<br />
&#8220;The three stages of the Saturn V were developed by various NASA contractors, but following a sequence of mergers and takeovers all of them are now owned by Boeing.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, make it 15 years and $300 billion for the final launch. Now the only problem is, you&#8217;d need somebody to beat to the moon. The Russians are out of the game for the foreseeable future, leaving only the Chinese. Would they play along? What does our eminent sinologist say?</p>
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