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	<title>Comments on: Are We Really Slouching into a Mediocre Babylon?</title>
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		<title>By: Seven Lions &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Just How Important was that Bill Gates Guy, Anyway? - writing, research, art and digital media</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seven Lions &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Just How Important was that Bill Gates Guy, Anyway? - writing, research, art and digital media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 00:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] up on Anthony DiPierro&#8217;s comments on my previous post, I realized that our disagreement in whether or not criticisms of crowdsourcing could be considered [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] up on Anthony DiPierro&#8217;s comments on my previous post, I realized that our disagreement in whether or not criticisms of crowdsourcing could be considered [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Elijah Meeks</title>
		<link>http://sevenlions.org/wp/are-we-really-slouching-into-a-mediocre-babylon/comment-page-1/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>Elijah Meeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 00:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My reply has grown so long that I think it&#039;ll just have to be a post...  I&#039;d very much enjoy your thoughts on it as soon as it&#039;s up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My reply has grown so long that I think it&#8217;ll just have to be a post&#8230;  I&#8217;d very much enjoy your thoughts on it as soon as it&#8217;s up.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony DiPierro</title>
		<link>http://sevenlions.org/wp/are-we-really-slouching-into-a-mediocre-babylon/comment-page-1/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony DiPierro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re confusing &quot;open source&quot; with &quot;mass collaboration&quot;.  I don&#039;t have a problem with &quot;open source&quot;.  It&#039;s great that Linus Torvalds released the Linux kernel under the GPL.  On the other hand, I think that &quot;mass collaboration&quot; leads to mediocre content.  GNU Hurd, with its mish-mash of developers and no strong leader, is a piece of junk.

My article certainly wasn&#039;t knocking &quot;open source&quot;, and it wasn&#039;t even directly knocking Wikipedia.  The thesis of my article is that the creative process is one that takes place only in individuals. If you accept that argument, I think it has a huge impact on the way Wikipedia ought to be run, but I leave that reasoning to another article, or perhaps to another author (I don&#039;t much care about Wikipedia any more, I&#039;m more interested in figuring out what was successful about Wikipedia and what was unsuccessful, and starting from scratch rather than trying to reform from within).

In a future article, I hope to explore the more positive side of collaboration.  Great software, great films, great orchestras, great buildings - they are all collaborative works to which many individuals lend their creative abilities.  But they have great architects, great directors, great conductors, great architects, that coordinate those creative energies and put them together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re confusing &#8220;open source&#8221; with &#8220;mass collaboration&#8221;.  I don&#8217;t have a problem with &#8220;open source&#8221;.  It&#8217;s great that Linus Torvalds released the Linux kernel under the GPL.  On the other hand, I think that &#8220;mass collaboration&#8221; leads to mediocre content.  GNU Hurd, with its mish-mash of developers and no strong leader, is a piece of junk.</p>
<p>My article certainly wasn&#8217;t knocking &#8220;open source&#8221;, and it wasn&#8217;t even directly knocking Wikipedia.  The thesis of my article is that the creative process is one that takes place only in individuals. If you accept that argument, I think it has a huge impact on the way Wikipedia ought to be run, but I leave that reasoning to another article, or perhaps to another author (I don&#8217;t much care about Wikipedia any more, I&#8217;m more interested in figuring out what was successful about Wikipedia and what was unsuccessful, and starting from scratch rather than trying to reform from within).</p>
<p>In a future article, I hope to explore the more positive side of collaboration.  Great software, great films, great orchestras, great buildings &#8211; they are all collaborative works to which many individuals lend their creative abilities.  But they have great architects, great directors, great conductors, great architects, that coordinate those creative energies and put them together.</p>
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		<title>By: Elijah Meeks</title>
		<link>http://sevenlions.org/wp/are-we-really-slouching-into-a-mediocre-babylon/comment-page-1/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Elijah Meeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You did mention Wikipedia and Open Source quite clearly, not only in the direct quote from the link, but also later:

&quot;Dave Hyatt and Blake Ross created Firefox. Apache was created by Robert McCool. Michael Widenius wrote the majority of the first version of MySQL... Jerry Yang and David Filo made Yahoo. Larry Sanger and Ben Kovitz invented Wikipedia.&quot;

Perhaps you meant crowdsourcing (And the Sucker Map) as something different than open source / Commons-based peer collaboration?

But the decline of civilization was just my extrapolation of the Wisdom of Crowds versus the Cult of the Amateur.  I&#039;m not so concerned with defending the open source model, it doesn&#039;t need it, when you&#039;ve got billions of dollars worth of business relying on open source apps in critical locations, I&#039;m pretty sure even a non-expert can accept that argument.  It&#039;s more interesting to me when that model is applied to knowledge presentation and how the picking and choosing of &quot;experts&quot; who support the various sides comes out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You did mention Wikipedia and Open Source quite clearly, not only in the direct quote from the link, but also later:</p>
<p>&#8220;Dave Hyatt and Blake Ross created Firefox. Apache was created by Robert McCool. Michael Widenius wrote the majority of the first version of MySQL&#8230; Jerry Yang and David Filo made Yahoo. Larry Sanger and Ben Kovitz invented Wikipedia.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps you meant crowdsourcing (And the Sucker Map) as something different than open source / Commons-based peer collaboration?</p>
<p>But the decline of civilization was just my extrapolation of the Wisdom of Crowds versus the Cult of the Amateur.  I&#8217;m not so concerned with defending the open source model, it doesn&#8217;t need it, when you&#8217;ve got billions of dollars worth of business relying on open source apps in critical locations, I&#8217;m pretty sure even a non-expert can accept that argument.  It&#8217;s more interesting to me when that model is applied to knowledge presentation and how the picking and choosing of &#8220;experts&#8221; who support the various sides comes out.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony DiPierro</title>
		<link>http://sevenlions.org/wp/are-we-really-slouching-into-a-mediocre-babylon/comment-page-1/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony DiPierro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never said anything about Wikipedia or Open Source in that article, other than to mention Wikipedia as an example of a great software project which was started by a small number of people.  I certainly didn&#039;t say that either tool is &quot;causing the decline of civilization&quot;.  Tools are not volitional, after all.

Thanks for the publicity though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never said anything about Wikipedia or Open Source in that article, other than to mention Wikipedia as an example of a great software project which was started by a small number of people.  I certainly didn&#8217;t say that either tool is &#8220;causing the decline of civilization&#8221;.  Tools are not volitional, after all.</p>
<p>Thanks for the publicity though.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Kohs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory Kohs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 03:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I want to know is, when all the newspapers go broke, what will Wikipedians cite as they create their little revenge articles about comic book authors?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I want to know is, when all the newspapers go broke, what will Wikipedians cite as they create their little revenge articles about comic book authors?</p>
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		<title>By: Zarquon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zarquon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aren&#039;t you mixing up a word-processor with Twitter? You don&#039;t use OpenOffice to tell an indifferent universe what you had for breakfast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aren&#8217;t you mixing up a word-processor with Twitter? You don&#8217;t use OpenOffice to tell an indifferent universe what you had for breakfast.</p>
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